Rumsfeld: "I don't know what the facts are..." ( about lack of adequate protection for Humvees and trucks in the throes of the chaos in Iraq)--which is exactly why you had/have no right to be in the position you occupy.
You, the guy that assured America that Iraq would be a quick in and out, whilst ignoring those that knew much better, are personally responsible for the excessive deaths of US military and pro-American Iraqis, due to inadequate armor on their vehicles.
You say someone should "sit down and have a talk" with Spc. Thomas Wilson?
You arrogant fop. You needed time to collect your thoughts when asked reasonable questions by the troops on their way to Iraq? I'll tell you what, get the fark out of the position that you are in no way qualified to handle, and you can have all the time you need to collect your thoughts.
Meeting with troops in Kuwait on Wednesday, Rumsfeld heard several
complaints, including one from that U.S. forces were forced
to dig up scrap metal to protect their vehicles in Iraq because of a shortage of
armored ones.
"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down
with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he
knows what they know that he may not know, and that's a good thing. I think it's
a very constructive exchange," Rumsfeld told reporters traveling with him on
Thursday in India, another stop on a regional tour.
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IRAQ IN TRANSITION
Faceoff on Iraq
GIs confront Rumsfeld over lack of armor
U.S. defense chief taken aback by pointed questions
By Eric Schmitt, New York Times News Service. Tribune news services contributed to this report
December 9, 2004
CAMP BUEHRING, Kuwait --
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld came here Wednesday to lead a
morale-lifting town hall discussion with Iraq-bound troops. Instead, he
found himself on the defensive, fielding pointed questions from
soldiers complaining about aging vehicles that lack armor for
protection against roadside bombs.
Rumsfeld, seemingly caught off guard by the sharp questioning,
responded that the military is producing extra armor for Humvees and
trucks as fast as possible, but that the soldiers would have to cope
with equipment shortages.
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time," he said.
Spec. Thomas Wilson (see photo above), a scout with a Tennessee National Guard unit
scheduled to roll into Iraq this week, was the first to step forward,
saying that soldiers had to scrounge through local landfills for rusty
scrap metal and bulletproof glass--what they called "hillbilly
armor"--to bolt to their trucks.
"Why don't we have those resources readily available to us?"
Wilson asked Rumsfeld, drawing cheers and applause from many of the
2,300 soldiers assembled in a cavernous hangar here to meet the
secretary.
A few minutes later, a soldier from the Idaho National Guard's
116th Armor Cavalry Brigade asked Rumsfeld what he and the Army were
doing "to address shortages and antiquated equipment" that will affect
National Guard soldiers heading to Iraq.
Rumsfeld seemed taken aback by the question and a murmur began
spreading through the ranks before he silenced it. "Now, settle down,
settle down," he said. "Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the
morning, and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
Rumsfeld, 72, said all organizations have equipment, materials,
and spare parts of different vintages, but he expressed confidence that
Army leaders are assigning the newest and best equipment to the troops
headed for combat.
Moreover, he said, adding more armor to trucks and battle equipment doesn't make them impervious to enemy attack.
"If you think about it, you can have all the armor in the world on
a tank and a tank can be blown up," he said. "And you can have an
up-armored Humvee and it can be blown up."
A lieutenant colonel told Rumsfeld that many of the soldiers in
his unit are having trouble receiving all the pay due them, causing
problems for families back home who are being badgered by collection
agencies.
"Can someone here get the details of the unit he's talking about?" Rumsfeld asked. "That's just not right."
The soldiers' sharp questioning came on the day that the U.S.
combat death toll in Iraq passed 1,000. According to an Associated
Press tally, 1,278 U.S. troops have died in Iraq, 1,001 of them in
fighting. November's U.S. death toll of 136 was the most of any month
of the war.
The U.S. announced last week that it was increasing its force in
Iraq to 150,000 to help the interim government conduct its election,
scheduled for Jan. 30.
On Wednesday, officials at Iraq's Interior Ministry voiced support
for the idea of holding the vote over a two- or three-week period so
that Iraqis in different regions would vote at different times,
allowing security forces to shift to where they are needed. But the
country's top electoral official said he received no formal proposal
for staggered voting.
Police station sacked
In Samarra, one of the most restive Sunni cities, guerrillas stole
weapons Wednesday from a police station and blew it up, and a suicide
car bomber attacked a Bradley armored vehicle. No U.S. soldiers were
reported killed, but at least five Iraqis died, and the city's police
chief resigned. Fighting also was reported in Mosul and Ramadi.
Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita, speaking in Washington after
the Kuwait session, said the military is producing 450 armored Humvees
a month, compared with 15 a month in autumn 2003, when the threat of
roadside bombs emerged. He also said that three out of four Humvees in
the war zones are armored, and that unarmored vehicles are used in
back-up operations, inside bases.
It was difficult to gauge the scope and seriousness of the
equipment problems cited by the two soldiers and by several others in
interviews after Rumsfeld's appearance. A senior officer in Wilson's
unit, Col. John Zimmerman, said later that 95 percent of the unit's
more-than 300 trucks have insufficient armor.
Senior Army generals in Kuwait said they were not aware of
widespread shortages and insisted that all vehicles heading north from
this staging area 12 miles south of the Iraqi border would have
adequate armor.
"It's not a matter of money or desire," Lt. Gen. Steven Whitcomb,
commander of Army forces in the Persian Gulf, told the troops after
Rumsfeld asked him to address Wilson's question. "It's a matter of the
logistics of being able to produce it."
But the complaints voiced by the soldiers are likely to revive
accusations that the Bush administration did not anticipate the kind of
tenacious insurgency confronting troops in Iraq, and that the Pentagon
is still struggling to provide enough basic supplies such as body
armor, and fortified Humvees and other vehicles.
About 10,000 soldiers, many them reservists from Oregon,
Pennsylvania, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina, are in Kuwait on
their way to one-year tours in Iraq or passing through this camp on
their way home after their stints.
In interviews after the meeting, the equipment issue resonated with many soldiers and commanders.
Spec. Blaze Crook, 24, from Cleveland, Tenn., said he and other
members of his Tennessee National Guard unit felt shorthanded going
into their mission in Iraq. "I don't think we have enough troops going
in to do the job," said Crook, a truck driver.
In an interview, Wilson said the question he asked Rumsfeld was
one that has been on the minds of many men in his unit, the 1st
Squadron, 278th Regimental Combat Team.
"I'm a soldier, and I'll do this on a bicycle if I have to, but we
need help," said Wilson, 31, who served on active duty in the Air Force
for six years, including in the 1991 Persian Gulf war, before leaving
the military, then re-enlisting in the National Guard after the
terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Zimmerman, the staff judge advocate, or legal adviser, for the
278th combat team, said the unit's Humvees are sufficiently armored,
but that most of its heavy trucks are not. He said Army supply
officials have given the unit 70 tons of steel plates to attach to
vehicles, but it isn't enough.
Double standard perceived
Zimmerman suggested that the Army wouldn't let this happen to an active-duty unit about to deploy into Iraq.
"We've got two armies," he said. "We've got the active-duty and
we've got the National Guard. We're proud to serve. We just want what
everyone else has. We're not asking for anything more."
Zimmerman said he appreciates the efforts by Army supply officials
in Kuwait but that he and his troops fumed at the sight of the fully
"up-armored" Humvees and heavy trucks put on display for Rumsfeld's
visit.
"What you see out here isn't what we've got going north with us," he said.
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